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It's All Training: A Fully Synthetic Single-Stage Recipe for LLMs

Pierre-Carl Langlais, Pieter Delobelle, Yannick Detrois, Pavel Chizhov, Carlos Rosas-Hinostroza, Neil Si Smail, Benjamin Burtin, Hanna Shcharbakova, Ivan Yamshchikov, Anastasia Stasenko

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Current pre-training datasets are derived from web crawls, with all their issues, and were not designed to support mid- and post-training pipelines--for instance, they contain little explicit reasoning. Thus, many frontier labs have begun to develop their own internal datasets, starting from state-of-the-art models, to augment their pre-training data mix, eg, with reasoning traces to address cold-start problems. While demonstratively effective, none of these datasets are public, and the effect of this so-called synthetic data on knowledge and skill acquisition of language models, including small ones, remains poorly understood. We present SYNTH, the first open-source synthetic corpus derived from 58,698 Wikipedia articles that collapses pre-, mid-, and post-training into a single training stage via structured amplification of curated encyclopedic seeds. We evaluate SYNTH by training a suite of models: a 56M tiny model (Monad), 0.3B-0.6B dense models (Baguettotron), and a 13B / 1B-active MoE. At iso-compute, SYNTH outperforms filtered web data, and our models remain competitive with similarly-sized open-weight baselines. Because SYNTH is back-translated from grounded passages, SYNTH-trained models achieve high factual precision despite 10-140x fewer training tokens, with memorization targeted by the seed corpus. These results show that synthetic datasets, including our SYNTH dataset, are capable of producing competitive generalist models from a fraction of the training data, enabling rapid iteration as the frontier advances. These findings open up possibilities for both generalist models with significantly increased data efficiency, as well as domain-specific models where no instruction or conversational data is available. Finally, we publicly release our SYNTH dataset and the suite of Baguettotron models under a permissive license, thus supporting open-source language model development.

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Accepted at NeurIPS 2026. 35 pages, 9 figures. Dataset: https://huggingface.co/datasets/PleIAs/SYNTH
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cs.CLComputation and Language cs.LGMachine Learning

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    • LLMs can be pre-trained on LLM outputs, and there have been a few recent interesting implementations of this. - https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.37891 - https://arxiv.org/pdf/2508.10975 - https://www.datologyai.com/blog/eating-the-rainbow-a-primer-... As well as recent model releases…

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