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Alice in Wonderland: Simple Tasks Showing Complete Reasoning Breakdown in State-Of-the-Art Large Language Models

Marianna Nezhurina, Lucia Cipolina-Kun, Mehdi Cherti, Jenia Jitsev

Abstract

Large Language Models (LLMs) are often described as instances of foundation models that possess strong generalization obeying scaling laws, and therefore transfer robustly across various conditions in few- or zero-shot manner. Such claims rely on standardized benchmarks that suppose to measure generalization and reasoning, where state-of-the-art (SOTA) models score high. We demonstrate here a dramatic breakdown of generalization and basic reasoning of all SOTA models claiming strong function, including large scale advanced models like GPT-4 or Claude 3 Opus, using a simple, short common sense math problem formulated in concise natural language, easily solvable by humans (AIW problem). The breakdown is dramatic as it manifests on a simple problem in both low average performance and strong performance fluctuations on natural variations in problem template that do not change either problem structure or its difficulty at all. By testing models on further control problems with similar form, we rule out that breakdown might be rooted in minor low-level issues like natural language or numbers parsing. We also observe strong overconfidence in the wrong solutions, expressed in form of plausible sounding explanation-like confabulations. Various standard interventions in an attempt to get the right solution, like chain-of-thought prompting, or urging the models to reconsider the wrong solutions again by multi step re-evaluation, fail. We use these observations to stimulate re-assessment of the capabilities of current generation of LLMs as claimed by standardized benchmarks. Such re-assessment also requires common action to create standardized benchmarks that would allow proper detection of such deficits in generalization and reasoning that obviously remain undiscovered by current state-of-the-art evaluation procedures, where SOTA LLMs manage to score high. Code: https://github.com/LAION-AI/AIW

arXiv comments
v3.0. Control experiments, further AIW problem versions, testing recent reasoning models. Short version appeared at NeurIPS Scientific Methods for Understanding Deep Learning Workshop (SciDL) 2024, https://openreview.net/forum?id=Mkl7dzjYiW
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cs.LGMachine Learning cs.AIArtificial Intelligence cs.CLComputation and Language

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    • Looking at the list of authors, is this from their open endedness team? I found their position paper on it super convincing https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.02061

      artninja1988View on HNParent context

    • Did you link the wrong Arxiv paper? https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.02061 does not look like a position paper nor does it share any authors with this Genie 2 work.

      warkdarriorView on HNParent context

    • These results are very similar to the "Alice in Wonderland" problem [1, 2], which was already discussed a few months ago. However the authors of the other paper are much more critical and call it a "Complete Reasoning Breakdown". You could argue that the issue lies in the models…

      s-mackeView on HNParent context

    • We need results from these harder/different benchmarks which give pretty bad scores to current top LLMs. https://www.wolfram.com/llm-benchmarking-project/ https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/llm-benchmark.html Edit : There are few other benchmarks that give pretty low scores (<20%) to…

      smusamashahView on HNParent context

    • Well we don't have an understanding of how the brain works so we can't be fully sure but it's clear why they have this intuition: 1) Many people have had to cram for some exam where they didn't have time to fully understand the material. So for those parts they memorized as much…

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    • https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.02061v1 research paper shows the reasoning breakdown in SOTA LLMs by asking a simple question, “Alice has N brothers and she also has M sisters. How many sisters does Alice’s brother have?” I investigated performance of different prompts on this…

      aadityaubhatView on HNParent context

    • What transformers have taught us is that gobbling up the whole internet can get you pretty far, but it doesn't change the fundamentals. Hallucinations still are trivial [1] to elicit. On the other hand, transformers are a software breakthrough that made training on the whole…

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