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The Curse of Recursion: Training on Generated Data Makes Models Forget

Ilia Shumailov, Zakhar Shumaylov, Yiren Zhao, Yarin Gal, Nicolas Papernot, Ross Anderson

Abstract

Stable Diffusion revolutionised image creation from descriptive text. GPT-2, GPT-3(.5) and GPT-4 demonstrated astonishing performance across a variety of language tasks. ChatGPT introduced such language models to the general public. It is now clear that large language models (LLMs) are here to stay, and will bring about drastic change in the whole ecosystem of online text and images. In this paper we consider what the future might hold. What will happen to GPT-{n} once LLMs contribute much of the language found online? We find that use of model-generated content in training causes irreversible defects in the resulting models, where tails of the original content distribution disappear. We refer to this effect as Model Collapse and show that it can occur in Variational Autoencoders, Gaussian Mixture Models and LLMs. We build theoretical intuition behind the phenomenon and portray its ubiquity amongst all learned generative models. We demonstrate that it has to be taken seriously if we are to sustain the benefits of training from large-scale data scraped from the web. Indeed, the value of data collected about genuine human interactions with systems will be increasingly valuable in the presence of content generated by LLMs in data crawled from the Internet.

arXiv comments
Fixed typos in eqn 4,5
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cs.LGMachine Learning cs.AIArtificial Intelligence cs.CLComputation and Language cs.CRCryptography and Security cs.CVComputer Vision and Pattern Recognition

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    • You're confusing it with data poisoning. Model collapse itself is(was?) a fairly serious research topic: https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.17493 We've by now reached a "probably not inevitable" - https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.01413 argues there's a finite upper bound to error - but I'd…

      groby_bView on HNParent context

    • https://arxiv.org/pdf/2305.17493 There's some cursory indication that in the long tail, training LLMs on LLM-generated data causes model collapse. Kind of like how if you photocopy a photocopy too many times the document becomes unreadable. This isn't really surprising though.…

      vineyardlabsView on HNParent context

    • > Paradoxically, I think a lot of research is showing that synthetic training information can be just as good as the real stuff. Which studies show this? https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.17493 shows the exact opposite and my (layman's) understanding of statistics and epistemology…

      dangerwillView on HNParent context

    • There is the threat of model collapse though as discussed in this paper: https://browse.arxiv.org/pdf/2305.17493v2.pdf? They discuss that if you train models with the output of other models you can get worse results. If we all start using code from those models how will that…

      almatabataView on HNParent context

    • > For better or worse, the quality of output LLMs can produce based on such publicly available data appears to be peaking. Recent work has documented that GPT, for example, has begun to exhibit declines in the quality of its output.3 It suggests no such thing, and the problems…

      gwernView on HNParent context

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    • > AI used to be weird. Now ‘sounds like a bot’ is just shorthand for boring. It's real, real hard to escape regression to the mean in autonomous systems. That gaussian's gonna get ya. [1] I. Shumailov, Z. Shumaylov, Y. Zhao, Y. Gal, N. Papernot, and R. Anderson, “The Curse of…

      hprotagonistView on HNParent context

    • Neural networks will degenerate in the process of learning from their own hallucinations, and humans will degenerate in the process of applying the degenerated neural networks. This process is called "neural network collapse". https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.17493v2 It can only be…

      TimurSadekovView on HNParent context

    • One of the world's leading experts on information security systems, Professor Ross Anderson of Cambridge University, in his article https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.17493v2 is already considering a scenario where most of the Internet will be a neural network-generated hallucination.…

      TimurSadekovView on HNParent context

    • maybe. A lot of modern clickwork is actually model training and there is a model-collapse phenomena (https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.17493) which means that it should be banned for such work. I bet a number of clever people on the platforms are already trying to instrument AI to do…

      kristopolousView on HNParent context

    • >> There's already been the studies that these models quickly break down when they're fed their own generated data as training data Not "these models" if you're referring to large language models pretrained and fine-tuned with Transformers. The only study I am aware of that…

      YeGoblynQueenneView on HNParent context

    • Fundamentally untrue, and disheartening that it's the top comment. You can't use a model's output to train another model, it leads to complete gibberish (termed "model collapse"). https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.17493v2 And the Llama 2 license allows users to train derivative models…

      concindsView on HNParent context

    • There are first studies on this topic: "THE CURSE OF RECURSION: TRAINING ON GENERATED DATA MAKES MODELS FORGET" https://arxiv.org/pdf/2305.17493.pdf

      martin_aView on HNParent context

    • That paper[0] mentions two defects, catastrophic forgetting which occurs during continual learning. GPT type models do not use this type of training and use supervised training instead which utilizes a curated corpus of text. The second is model collapse which is essentially…

      throwaway4adayView on HNParent context

    • Related: https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.17493v2 Basically, if this paper is right, 2021 was the last year usable training data could be pulled from the internet. It could be all downhill from hereon out, as the amount of AI generated content will soon overtake actual human generated…

      qayxcView on HNParent context

    • I believe that performance degrades, as the models end up training on data that is more homogenized and less diverse when compared to original data. At least according to this paper (I think, FYI I am not a expert) https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.17493

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