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arXiv:2301.06627cs.CL

Dissociating language and thought in large language models

Kyle Mahowald, Anna A. Ivanova, Idan A. Blank, Nancy Kanwisher, Joshua B. Tenenbaum, Evelina Fedorenko

Abstract

Large Language Models (LLMs) have come closest among all models to date to mastering human language, yet opinions about their linguistic and cognitive capabilities remain split. Here, we evaluate LLMs using a distinction between formal linguistic competence -- knowledge of linguistic rules and patterns -- and functional linguistic competence -- understanding and using language in the world. We ground this distinction in human neuroscience, which has shown that formal and functional competence rely on different neural mechanisms. Although LLMs are surprisingly good at formal competence, their performance on functional competence tasks remains spotty and often requires specialized fine-tuning and/or coupling with external modules. We posit that models that use language in human-like ways would need to master both of these competence types, which, in turn, could require the emergence of mechanisms specialized for formal linguistic competence, distinct from functional competence.

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The two lead authors contributed equally to this work; published in "Trends in Cognnitive Sciences", March 2024
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cs.CLComputation and Language cs.AIArtificial Intelligence

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    • Here's the problem with LLMs: https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.06627 Basically, they're missing a lot of the brain machinery required to function. For example, if you ask them to solve a math problem, they do just fine ... until you ask them to apply an inference rule on top of it…

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    • There's a decent amount of research that supports this view [1][2]. How else do you explain the unreasonable effectiveness of transformer-based language models? 1. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/014272371986973... 2. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2301.06627.pdf

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    • To properly explain this would take longer than the length of the comment limit (is there a length limit? I don't know, but even if there isn't I don't feel like explaining this for the 70th time), but here's why…

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    • > the idea that you can't get a very good statistical approximation to knowing and reasoning via a computer seem naively prone anthropocentrism. I don't think this is being questioned in general right now, but rather the claim is: You can't get a very good statistical…

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    • Amusing dialog, and quite germane - Yorick claims to hold a cognitivist perspective (that meaning comes from 'handling symbols', see also [1]) while the final paragraph ironically expresses a healthy skepticism of cognitivism which (IMO) is justified: we all have to 'take it on…

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    • > … but never any data to substantiate the claim There is! https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.06627 From the paper: > Based on this evidence, we argue that (1) contemporary LLMs should be taken seriously as models of formal linguistic skills; (2) models that master real-life language…

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