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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Simple Permutations Mix Even Better · HackerPapers discussions</title><link>https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/math_0411098/</link><description>Collected HN comments and submissions linking this paper.</description><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2026 11:16:22 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/math_0411098/feed.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><item><title>Simple Permutations Mix Even Better — mentioned by pbsd</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27408280</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:math_0411098:27408280</guid><pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:37:49 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Strictly speaking, shift and xor alone will not net you a secure cipher, seeing that those are both linear GF(2) operations. You would need something else in the mix to generate some nonlinearity, like integer addition, multiplication, etc. But on the subject of extremely simple constructions, you can compose many random permutations of a particular form---state[i] = state[i] xor F(state[j], state[k]), where state[i] is the ith bit of the state and F is a randomly chosen boolean function--- and obtain something asymptotically secure [1]. [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/math/0411098&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/math_0411098/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>math.CO</category></item></channel></rss>
