https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2512.13961/Collected HN comments and submissions linking this paper.enMon, 02 Nov 2026 11:16:22 GMThttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50174051urn:hackerpapers:mention:2512.13961:50174051Tue, 20 Oct 2026 23:21:36 GMT<p>&gt; I don&#x27;t think there is anything stopping you from &quot;knowing what is in a model&quot;. I don&#x27;t think knowing what is in a model is particularly useful. The unnamed risk here is something along the lines of Chinese models might have a magic phrase tuned into them that if you say &quot;abracadabra123&quot; the model then uploads all files available to you to the PLA Cyberforce website. Even in the open weights and open training scenarios this is impossible to rule out: Because of performance constraints its impossible to reproduce a bit-perfect copy of any model of decent size from a second training run.…</p><p><a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2512.13961/">Paper and discussion history</a>. A mention is not an endorsement.</p>cs.CLhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48493597urn:hackerpapers:mention:2512.13961:48493597Thu, 11 Jun 2026 17:37:21 GMT<p>DeepSeek themselves claimed that R1 cost $294k to train. Folks are skeptical of how low that is, however. https://www.techspot.com/news/109542-rare-disclosure-deepsee... Olmo 3 claims that if they paid market rates for their training, it would have cost $2.75m. It was trained by a non-profit and probably had some of the compute donated, hence why they have to estimate. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2512.13961 So, probably somewhere between hundreds of thousands and tens of millions.</p><p><a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2512.13961/">Paper and discussion history</a>. A mention is not an endorsement.</p>cs.CL