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arXiv:2511.10643cs.CL

Black-Box On-Policy Distillation of Large Language Models

Tianzhu Ye, Li Dong, Zewen Chi, Xun Wu, Shaohan Huang, Furu Wei

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Black-box distillation creates student large language models (LLMs) by learning from a proprietary teacher model's text outputs alone, without access to its internal logits or parameters. In this work, we introduce Generative Adversarial Distillation (GAD), which enables on-policy and black-box distillation. GAD frames the student LLM as a generator and trains a discriminator to distinguish its responses from the teacher LLM's, creating a minimax game. The discriminator acts as an on-policy reward model that co-evolves with the student, providing stable, adaptive feedback. Experimental results show that GAD consistently surpasses the commonly used sequence-level knowledge distillation. In particular, Qwen2.5-14B-Instruct (student) trained with GAD becomes comparable to its teacher, GPT-5-Chat, on the LMSYS-Chat automatic evaluation. The results establish GAD as a promising and effective paradigm for black-box LLM distillation.

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cs.CLComputation and Language cs.AIArtificial Intelligence

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    • probably more interesting (from 01/2026) https://arxiv.org/pdf/2511.10643 "Black-Box On-Policy Distillation of Large Language Models". they got a qwen 2.5 14B model trained to GPT5 level using the described technique "Generative Adversarial Distillation (GAD)".

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