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Can Performant LLMs Be Ethical? Quantifying the Impact of Web Crawling Opt-Outs

Dongyang Fan, Vinko Sabolčec, Matin Ansaripour, Ayush Kumar Tarun, Martin Jaggi, Antoine Bosselut, Imanol Schlag

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Abstract

The increasing adoption of web crawling opt-outs by copyright holders of online content raises critical questions about the impact of data compliance on large language model (LLM) performance. However, little is known about how these restrictions (and the resultant filtering of pretraining datasets) affect the capabilities of models trained using these corpora. In this work, we conceptualize this effect as the $\textit{data compliance gap}$ (DCG), which quantifies the performance difference between models trained on datasets that comply with web crawling opt-outs, and those that do not. We measure the data compliance gap in two settings: pretraining models from scratch and continual pretraining from existing compliant models (simulating a setting where copyrighted data could be integrated later in pretraining). Our experiments with 1.5B models show that, as of January 2025, compliance with web data opt-outs does not degrade general knowledge acquisition (close to 0\% DCG). However, in specialized domains such as biomedical research, excluding major publishers leads to performance declines. These findings suggest that while general-purpose LLMs can be trained to perform equally well using fully open data, performance in specialized domains may benefit from access to high-quality copyrighted sources later in training. Our study provides empirical insights into the long-debated trade-off between data compliance and downstream model performance, informing future discussions on AI training practices and policy decisions. Our website is available at https://data-compliance.github.io/.

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cs.CLComputation and Language cs.LGMachine Learning

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    • common crawl anyway respects the CCbot opt-out every time they do a crawl. we went a step further because back in old ages (2013 is our oldest training data) LLMs did not exist, so website owners opting out today of AI crawlers might like the option to also remove their past…

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    • Yes this is an interesting question. In our arxiv paper [1] we did study this for news articles, and also removed duplicates of articles (decontamination). We did not observe an impact on the downstream accuracy of the LLM, in the case of news data. [1]…

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    • this is what this paper tries to answer: https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.06219 the quality gap is surprisingly small between compliant and not

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