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Procedural Knowledge in Pretraining Drives Reasoning in Large Language Models

Laura Ruis, Maximilian Mozes, Juhan Bae, Siddhartha Rao Kamalakara, Dwarak Talupuru, Acyr Locatelli, Robert Kirk, Tim Rocktäschel, Edward Grefenstette, Max Bartolo

Abstract

The capabilities and limitations of Large Language Models have been sketched out in great detail in recent years, providing an intriguing yet conflicting picture. On the one hand, LLMs demonstrate a general ability to solve problems. On the other hand, they show surprising reasoning gaps when compared to humans, casting doubt on the robustness of their generalisation strategies. The sheer volume of data used in the design of LLMs has precluded us from applying the method traditionally used to measure generalisation: train-test set separation. To overcome this, we study what kind of generalisation strategies LLMs employ when performing reasoning tasks by investigating the pretraining data they rely on. For two models of different sizes (7B and 35B) and 2.5B of their pretraining tokens, we identify what documents influence the model outputs for three simple mathematical reasoning tasks and contrast this to the data that are influential for answering factual questions. We find that, while the models rely on mostly distinct sets of data for each factual question, a document often has a similar influence across different reasoning questions within the same task, indicating the presence of procedural knowledge. We further find that the answers to factual questions often show up in the most influential data. However, for reasoning questions the answers usually do not show up as highly influential, nor do the answers to the intermediate reasoning steps. When we characterise the top ranked documents for the reasoning questions qualitatively, we confirm that the influential documents often contain procedural knowledge, like demonstrating how to obtain a solution using formulae or code. Our findings indicate that the approach to reasoning the models use is unlike retrieval, and more like a generalisable strategy that synthesises procedural knowledge from documents doing a similar form of reasoning.

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Published at ICLR 2025
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cs.CLComputation and Language cs.LGMachine Learning

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    • I think their thought process is unconvincing, although I think they're probably correct. A much better paper is, "Procedural Knowledge in Pretraining Drives Reasoning in Large Language Models". They took it much further and trained an LLM such that for every inference, they…

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    • Proof? :) where has proof ever been found in truth? It's not proof, but there is some good evidence out there. Here are two interesting papers I found informative. https://arxiv.org/html/2403.04121v2 https://arxiv.org/html/2411.12580v1

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