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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Large Models of What? Mistaking Engineering Achievements for Human Linguistic Agency · HackerPapers discussions</title><link>https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2407.08790/</link><description>Collected HN comments and submissions linking this paper.</description><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2026 11:16:22 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2407.08790/feed.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><item><title>Large Models of What? Mistaking Engineering Achievements for Human Linguistic Agency — mentioned by Animats</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41020660</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2407.08790:41020660</guid><pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:38:10 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Full paper: [1]. Not much new here. The basic criticism is that LLMs are not embodied; they have no interaction with the real world. The same criticism can be applied to most office work. Useful insight: &amp;quot;We (humans) are always doing more than one thing.&amp;quot; This is in the sense of language output having goals for the speaker, not just delivering information. This is related to the problem of LLMs losing the thread of a conversation. Probably the only reasonably new concept in this paper. Standard rant: &amp;quot;Humans are not brains that exist in a vat...&amp;quot; &amp;quot;LLMs ... have nothing at stake.&amp;quot; Arguable, in…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2407.08790/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Large Models of What? Mistaking Engineering Achievements for Human Linguistic Agency — HN submission</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40975320</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:submission:2407.08790:40975320</guid><pubDate>Tue, 16 Jul 2024 10:54:31 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Large models of what? Mistaking engineering achievements for linguistic agency&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;184 points; 156 discussion replies on HN. &lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2407.08790/"&gt;Paper and source history&lt;/a&gt;. A submission is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item></channel></rss>
