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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Banishing LLM Hallucinations Requires Rethinking Generalization · HackerPapers discussions</title><link>https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2406.17642/</link><description>Collected HN comments and submissions linking this paper.</description><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2026 11:16:22 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2406.17642/feed.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><item><title>Banishing LLM Hallucinations Requires Rethinking Generalization — mentioned by nickpsecurity</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42846085</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2406.17642:42846085</guid><pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2025 21:51:28 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;I forgot one tech that’s actually commercialized by lamini.ai: https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.17642 https://medium.com/pythons-gurus/mixture-of-memory-experts-l... Re your reply I’ll add two things to “drive us to models that have emergent, reasoning abilities:” 1. It didn’t have that until they spent around $30 million pre-training a specific architecture (GPT3-176B) on TB’s of data with portions having built-in, reasoning steps it could extrapolate. Doing the same with the other architectures might have led to similar, better, or worse results. GPT3’s training investment, not Transformer…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2406.17642/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Banishing LLM Hallucinations Requires Rethinking Generalization — mentioned by Animats</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42144641</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2406.17642:42144641</guid><pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2024 07:27:14 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Comments on that paper? PDF: [1] What they are measuring, it seems, is whether LLMs can be built which will retrieve a reliable known correct answer on request. That&amp;#x27;s an information retrieval problem, and, in fact, they solve it by adding &amp;quot;Memory Experts&amp;quot; which are basically data storage. It&amp;#x27;s not clear that this helps either replies which require synthesizing disparate information, or detecting that the training data does not contain info needed to construct a reply. [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2406.17642&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2406.17642/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Banishing LLM Hallucinations Requires Rethinking Generalization — mentioned by nickpsecurity</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42143954</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2406.17642:42143954</guid><pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2024 04:25:00 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;The brain solves that problem. It seems to involve memory and specialized regions. I found a few groups building hippocampus-like, research models. One had content-addressable memory. There was another one that claimed to get rid of hallucinations. They also said it takes 50-100 epochs for regular architectures to actually memorize something. Their paper is below in case people qualified to review it want to. https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.17642 Like the brain, I believe the problem will be solved by a mix of specialized components working together. One of those components will be a memory (or…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2406.17642/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Banishing LLM Hallucinations Requires Rethinking Generalization — mentioned by gdiamos</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41541879</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2406.17642:41541879</guid><pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2024 18:39:25 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Disagree - https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.17642 We cover halting problem and intractable problems in the related work. Of course LLMs cannot give answers to intractable problems. I also don’t see why you should call an answer of “I cannot compute that” to a halting problem question a hallucination.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2406.17642/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Banishing LLM Hallucinations Requires Rethinking Generalization — mentioned by gdiamos</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41372157</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2406.17642:41372157</guid><pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2024 19:49:45 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;We know that LLMs hallucinate, but we can also remove them. I’d love to see a future generation of a model that doesn’t hallucinate on key facts that are peer and expert reviewed. Like the Wikipedia of LLMs https://arxiv.org/pdf/2406.17642 That’s a paper we wrote digging into why LLMs hallucinate and how to fix it. It turns out to be a technical problem with how the LLM is trained.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2406.17642/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. 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