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No "Zero-Shot" Without Exponential Data: Pretraining Concept Frequency Determines Multimodal Model Performance

Vishaal Udandarao, Ameya Prabhu, Adhiraj Ghosh, Yash Sharma, Philip H. S. Torr, Adel Bibi, Samuel Albanie, Matthias Bethge

Abstract

Web-crawled pretraining datasets underlie the impressive "zero-shot" evaluation performance of multimodal models, such as CLIP for classification/retrieval and Stable-Diffusion for image generation. However, it is unclear how meaningful the notion of "zero-shot" generalization is for such multimodal models, as it is not known to what extent their pretraining datasets encompass the downstream concepts targeted for during "zero-shot" evaluation. In this work, we ask: How is the performance of multimodal models on downstream concepts influenced by the frequency of these concepts in their pretraining datasets? We comprehensively investigate this question across 34 models and five standard pretraining datasets (CC-3M, CC-12M, YFCC-15M, LAION-400M, LAION-Aesthetics), generating over 300GB of data artifacts. We consistently find that, far from exhibiting "zero-shot" generalization, multimodal models require exponentially more data to achieve linear improvements in downstream "zero-shot" performance, following a sample inefficient log-linear scaling trend. This trend persists even when controlling for sample-level similarity between pretraining and downstream datasets, and testing on purely synthetic data distributions. Furthermore, upon benchmarking models on long-tailed data sampled based on our analysis, we demonstrate that multimodal models across the board perform poorly. We contribute this long-tail test set as the "Let it Wag!" benchmark to further research in this direction. Taken together, our study reveals an exponential need for training data which implies that the key to "zero-shot" generalization capabilities under large-scale training paradigms remains to be found.

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Short version accepted at DPFM, ICLR'24; Full paper at NeurIPS'24
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cs.CVComputer Vision and Pattern Recognition cs.CLComputation and Language cs.LGMachine Learning

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  1. Slop Terrifies Me 1 comment
    • These diminishing returns are exponentially diminishing returns [1]. [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.04125 " We consistently find that, far from exhibiting "zero-shot" generalization, multimodal models require exponentially more data to achieve linear improvements in downstream…

      theszView on HNParent context

    • I thought I saw some paper suggesting that accuracy grows linearly with exponential data. If that's the case it's not a mystery why we'd be hitting a training wall. Not sure I got the right takeaway from that study, though. EDIT: here's the paper https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.04125

      pton_xdView on HNParent context

    • I wish to be proved wrong too. The current situation of "LLM" and "GPT" are very much like a hype. I cannot see how they can be used beyond problems that does NOT require accuracy and precision. IMO the problem lies on "magical thinking" that we can just say a spell and have the…

      welkinSLView on HNParent context

    • Entertaining, but I think the conclusion is way off. > their vision is, at best, like that of a person with myopia seeing fine details as blurry is a crazy thing to write in an abstract. Did they try to probe that hypothesis at all? I could (well actually I can't) share some…

      sweezyjeezyView on HNParent context

    • Some research to the contrary [1] - tldr is that they didn't find evidence that generative models really do zero shot well at all yet, if you show it something it literally hasn't seen before, it isn't "generally intelligent" enough to do it well. This isn't an issue for a lot…

      sweezyjeezyView on HNParent context

    • Research seems to suggest we need exponential training data volume increases to see meaningful performance gains: https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.04125 Personally I think we've already hit a ceiling.

      smarticianView on HNParent context

    • > So, you're betting on no significant cost reduction of compute hardware? Seems implausible to me. This is not about compute, but about data. https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.04125 "...our study reveals an exponential need for training data which implies that the key to "zero-shot"…

      theszView on HNParent context

    • Ok - The most substantial claims for LLMs today come from 2 general areas - code copilots (github published, google published), and reduction in time to proficiency for new hires. That said, it may unlock additional capabilities. Additionally, language processing has a massive…

      intendedView on HNParent context

    • EDIT: cite source I have yet to see any evidence of this. To the contrary, we have seen for years that advances in LLMs require orders of magnitude more parameters/power for each generation. Neural architecture search has been underwhelming. RLHF seems to have regressed models…

      baryphonicView on HNParent context

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