https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.10911/Collected HN comments and submissions linking this paper.enMon, 02 Nov 2026 11:16:22 GMThttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45788539urn:hackerpapers:mention:2311.10911:45788539Sun, 02 Nov 2025 07:37:03 GMT<p>What&#x27;s the endgame of this increasing arms race? A gated web where you need to log in everywhere? Even more captchas and Cloudflare becoming the gateway to the internet? There must be a better way. We&#x27;re somehow still stuck with CAPTCHAs (and other challenges), a 25 years old concept that wastes millions of human hours and billions in infra costs [0]. [0] https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.10911</p><p><a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.10911/">Paper and discussion history</a>. A mention is not an endorsement.</p>cs.CRhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44434346urn:hackerpapers:mention:2311.10911:44434346Tue, 01 Jul 2025 14:40:45 GMT<p>We all agree that AI crawlers are a big issue as they don&#x27;t respect any established best practices, but we rarely talk about the path forward. Scraping has been around for as long as the internet, and it was mostly fine. There are many very legitimate use cases for browser automation and data extraction (I work in this space). So how will Cloudflare detect bots and get them to pay? And how many humans and legitimate bots will get blocked as a side effect? We&#x27;re somehow still stuck with CAPTCHAs, a 25 years old concept that wastes millions of human hours and billions in infra costs [0]. How…</p><p><a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.10911/">Paper and discussion history</a>. A mention is not an endorsement.</p>cs.CRhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43741672urn:hackerpapers:mention:2311.10911:43741672Sun, 20 Apr 2025 05:13:24 GMT<p>We all agree that AI crawlers are a big issue as they don&#x27;t respect any established best practices, but we rarely talk about the path forward. Scraping has been around for as long as the internet, and it was mostly fine. There are many very legitimate use cases for browser automation and data extraction (I work in this space). So what are potential solutions? We&#x27;re somehow still stuck with CAPTCHAS, a 25 years old concept that wastes millions of human hours and billions in infra costs [0]. How can enable beneficial automation while protecting against abusive AI crawlers? [0]…</p><p><a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.10911/">Paper and discussion history</a>. A mention is not an endorsement.</p>cs.CRhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43008506urn:hackerpapers:mention:2311.10911:43008506Tue, 11 Feb 2025 03:12:15 GMT<p>The &quot;cookie farm for profit&quot; point is worth elaborating on. From the original paper https://arxiv.org/pdf/2311.10911 : &gt; More concretely, the current average value life-time of a cookie is €2.52 or $2.7 [58]. Given that there have been at least 329 billion reCAPTCHAv2 sessions, which created tracking cookies, that would put the estimated value of those cookies at $888 billion dollars. The cited paper is https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016781162... - but it doesn&#x27;t deal with CAPTCHAs, just with the general economics of third-party cookies. In practice, many of these cookies…</p><p><a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.10911/">Paper and discussion history</a>. A mention is not an endorsement.</p>cs.CRhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41056691urn:hackerpapers:submission:2311.10911:41056691Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:06:10 GMT<p>Dazed and Confused: A Large-Scale Real-World User Study of ReCAPTCHAv (2023)</p><p></p><p>74 points; 53 discussion replies on HN. <a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.10911/">Paper and source history</a>. A submission is not an endorsement.</p>cs.CR