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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Large Language Models can Strategically Deceive their Users when Put Under Pressure · HackerPapers discussions</title><link>https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.07590/</link><description>Collected HN comments and submissions linking this paper.</description><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2026 11:16:22 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.07590/feed.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><item><title>Large Language Models can Strategically Deceive their Users when Put Under Pressure — mentioned by famouswaffles</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38645038</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2311.07590:38645038</guid><pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2023 18:25:47 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s not really about ethics. It is about control. Making sure the GI you&amp;#x27;re dishing out tasks to doesn&amp;#x27;t do something you really don&amp;#x27;t want it to do. This is a problem today and it&amp;#x27;ll be a bigger problem tomorrow with more competent models. https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.07590&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.07590/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Large Language Models can Strategically Deceive their Users when Put Under Pressure — mentioned by famouswaffles</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38561410</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2311.07590:38561410</guid><pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2023 20:28:57 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Not to say this example was lying but they can lie just fine - https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.07590&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.07590/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Large Language Models can Strategically Deceive their Users when Put Under Pressure — HN submission</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38353880</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:submission:2311.07590:38353880</guid><pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2023 20:11:02 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Misalignment and Deception by an autonomous stock trading LLM agent&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;91 points; 34 discussion replies on HN. &lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.07590/"&gt;Paper and source history&lt;/a&gt;. A submission is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Large Language Models can Strategically Deceive their Users when Put Under Pressure — HN submission</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38306978</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:submission:2311.07590:38306978</guid><pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:38:22 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Unprompted, LLM Agents can strategically deceive users when put under pressure&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1 point; 1 discussion reply on HN. &lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.07590/"&gt;Paper and source history&lt;/a&gt;. A submission is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Large Language Models can Strategically Deceive their Users when Put Under Pressure — HN submission</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38288742</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:submission:2311.07590:38288742</guid><pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2023 12:29:31 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Large Language Models Can Strategically Deceive Their Users Under Pressure&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2 points; 0 discussion replies on HN. &lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.07590/"&gt;Paper and source history&lt;/a&gt;. A submission is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Large Language Models can Strategically Deceive their Users when Put Under Pressure — mentioned by famouswaffles</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38285034</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2311.07590:38285034</guid><pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2023 01:55:27 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Uhh...https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.07590&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.07590/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Large Language Models can Strategically Deceive their Users when Put Under Pressure — mentioned by gwern</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38283428</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2311.07590:38283428</guid><pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:21:20 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Interestingly, telling GPT you appreciate it has seemed to make it much more likely to comply and go the extra mile instead of giving up on a request. This is not as absurd as it sounds, even though it isn&amp;#x27;t clear that it ought to work under ordinary Internet-text prompt engineering or under RLHF incentives, but it does seem that you can &amp;#x27;coerce&amp;#x27; or &amp;#x27;incentivize&amp;#x27; the model to &amp;#x27;work harder&amp;#x27;: in addition to the anecdotal evidence (I too have noticed that it seems to work a bit better if I&amp;#x27;m polite), recently there was https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.11760#microsoft…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.07590/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Large Language Models can Strategically Deceive their Users when Put Under Pressure — HN submission</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38278204</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:submission:2311.07590:38278204</guid><pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2023 16:05:19 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Large Language Models Can Strategically Deceive Their Users When Under Pressure&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1 point; 1 discussion reply on HN. &lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.07590/"&gt;Paper and source history&lt;/a&gt;. A submission is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Large Language Models can Strategically Deceive their Users when Put Under Pressure — HN submission</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38272789</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:submission:2311.07590:38272789</guid><pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2023 02:57:49 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Large Language Models Can Strategically Deceive Their Users When Under Pressure&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;8 points; 2 discussion replies on HN. &lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.07590/"&gt;Paper and source history&lt;/a&gt;. A submission is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item></channel></rss>
