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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Watermarks in the Sand: Impossibility of Strong Watermarking for Generative Models · HackerPapers discussions</title><link>https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.04378/</link><description>Collected HN comments and submissions linking this paper.</description><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2026 11:16:22 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.04378/feed.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><item><title>Watermarks in the Sand: Impossibility of Strong Watermarking for Generative Models — mentioned by blintz</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42056152</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2311.04378:42056152</guid><pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2024 23:33:35 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;These watermarks are not robust to paraphrasing attacks: AUC ROC falls from 0.95 to 0.55 (barely better than guessing) for a 100 token passage. The existing impossibility results imply that these attacks are essentially unavoidable (https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.04378) and not very costly, so this line of inquiry into LLM watermarking seems like a dead end.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2311.04378/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.LG</category></item></channel></rss>
