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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report · HackerPapers discussions</title><link>https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2309.05463/</link><description>Collected HN comments and submissions linking this paper.</description><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2026 11:16:22 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2309.05463/feed.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><item><title>Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report — mentioned by visarga</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38959401</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2309.05463:38959401</guid><pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2024 21:31:48 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Yes. &amp;gt; We follow the “Textbooks Are All You Need” approach, focusing this time on common sense reasoning in natural language, and create a new 1.3 billion parameter model named phi-1.5, with performance on natural language tasks comparable to models 5x larger, and surpassing most non-frontier LLMs on more complex reasoning tasks such as grade-school mathematics and basic coding. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2309.05463.pdf&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2309.05463/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report — mentioned by dmezzetti</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38897069</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2309.05463:38897069</guid><pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2024 00:29:58 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Couple other interesting papers from 2023 to add, specifically for small language models. TinyStories: https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.07759 Phi-1.5: https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.05463 Both these papers proved that with good/concise data we can get better performance with smaller parameter counts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2309.05463/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report — mentioned by behohippy</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38890822</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2309.05463:38890822</guid><pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2024 12:16:04 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s probably an evolution of the phi-1/1.5 &amp;quot;Textbooks are all you Need&amp;quot; training method: https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.05463&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2309.05463/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report — mentioned by yyyk</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38430019</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2309.05463:38430019</guid><pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2023 09:12:52 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe this will help? https://huggingface.co/datasets/roneneldan/TinyStories Also note https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.05463 (which is larger - obviously size still does contribute to performance)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2309.05463/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report — mentioned by Philpax</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38405988</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2309.05463:38405988</guid><pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2023 17:08:10 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;The idea is that you can standardise the quality of the training data by taking source articles and synthesizing new data with the same &amp;quot;voice&amp;quot; and structure, as well as being able to collate insights from multiple sources. This is the line of thinking behind the Phi lineup of models [0], as well as efforts to generate synthetic textbooks for training [1]. [0]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.05463 [1]: https://twitter.com/ocolegro/status/1712327588255809667&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2309.05463/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report — mentioned by Philpax</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38257928</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2309.05463:38257928</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 01:51:06 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; AI cannot sustain itself trained on AI work. This isn’t true. You can train LLMs entirely on synthetic data and get strong results. [0] &amp;gt; If new languages, engines etc pop up it cannot synthesize new forms of coding without that code having existed in the first place. You can describe the semantics to a LLM, have it generate code, tell it what went wrong (i.e. with compiler feedback), and then train on that. For an example of this workflow in a different context, see [1]. &amp;gt; And most importantly, it cannot fundamentally rationalize about what code does or how it functions. Most competent…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2309.05463/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report — mentioned by visarga</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37836904</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2309.05463:37836904</guid><pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2023 20:17:25 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; if the training data does not contain a set of generalizable text applicable to a particular domain, a language model is unlikely to make a correct inference when confronted with a novel version of a similar situation. True. But look at the Phi-1.5 model - it punches 5x above its weight limit. The trick is in the dataset: &amp;gt; Our training data for phi-1.5 is a combination of phi-1’s training data (7B tokens) and newly created synthetic, “textbook-like” data (roughly 20B tokens) for the purpose of teaching common sense reasoning and general knowledge of the world (science, daily activities…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2309.05463/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report — mentioned by isaacfung</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37610667</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2309.05463:37610667</guid><pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2023 11:37:17 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;LIMA: Less Is More for Alignment https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.11206 AlpaGasus: Training A Better Alpaca with Fewer Data https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.08701 Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.05463 Skill-it! A Data-Driven Skills Framework for Understanding and Training Language Models https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.14430&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2309.05463/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report — mentioned by isaacfung</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37552524</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2309.05463:37552524</guid><pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2023 05:25:16 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Quality matters just as much as quantity. LIMA: Less Is More for Alignment https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.11206 AlpaGasus: Training A Better Alpaca with Fewer Data https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.08701 Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.05463&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2309.05463/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report — HN submission</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37483587</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:submission:2309.05463:37483587</guid><pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2023 16:18:51 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1 point; 0 discussion replies on HN. &lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2309.05463/"&gt;Paper and source history&lt;/a&gt;. A submission is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Textbooks Are All You Need II: phi-1.5 technical report — HN submission</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37482248</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:submission:2309.05463:37482248</guid><pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:55:46 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;The tide is shifting: 1.3B outperforms 7B Llama 2&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;63 points; 15 discussion replies on HN. &lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2309.05463/"&gt;Paper and source history&lt;/a&gt;. A submission is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item></channel></rss>
