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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Do Language Models Know When They're Hallucinating References? · HackerPapers discussions</title><link>https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2305.18248/</link><description>Collected HN comments and submissions linking this paper.</description><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2026 11:16:22 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2305.18248/feed.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><item><title>Do Language Models Know When They're Hallucinating References? — mentioned by cornel_io</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43420049</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2305.18248:43420049</guid><pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2025 05:09:37 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;There are various results that suggest that LLMs do internally have everything they&amp;#x27;d need to know that they&amp;#x27;re hallucinating/wrong: https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.09733 https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.18248 https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2024-06-20-major-research-hallucin... So I don&amp;#x27;t think it&amp;#x27;s that they have no concept of correctness, they do, but it&amp;#x27;s not strong enough. We&amp;#x27;re probably just not training them in ways that optimize for that over other desirable qualities, at least aggressively enough. It&amp;#x27;s also clear to anyone who has used many different models over the years that the amount of…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2305.18248/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Do Language Models Know When They're Hallucinating References? — mentioned by PoignardAzur</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37796576</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2305.18248:37796576</guid><pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2023 21:20:26 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; How do we make sure that the output is factual and not hallucinated? One method the readme doesn&amp;#x27;t mention: ask the same question multiple times. Apparently research suggests that when LLMs hallucinate answers, their hallucination is likely to be a different one every time, where as factual answers will tend to be consistent. https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.18248&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2305.18248/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Do Language Models Know When They're Hallucinating References? — mentioned by famouswaffles</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37670163</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2305.18248:37670163</guid><pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2023 04:31:06 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.18248 &amp;quot;In particular, we find that LMs often hallucinate differing authors of hallucinated references when queried in independent sessions, while consistently identify authors of real references. This suggests that the hallucination may be more a generation issue than inherent to current training techniques or representation.&amp;quot; https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.08896 &amp;quot;SelfCheckGPT leverages the simple idea that if a LLM has knowledge of a given concept, sampled responses are likely to be similar and contain consistent facts. However, for hallucinated facts, stochastically…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2305.18248/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Do Language Models Know When They're Hallucinating References? — mentioned by avereveard</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36954065</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2305.18248:36954065</guid><pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2023 09:24:14 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Well it does have concept of right and wrong, as evidenced here https://chat.openai.com/share/e117e800-f579-4eec-9192-e9912f... you can ask it wrong answers only and it will oblige. Correctness is something it learns. I&amp;#x27;ve read a few papers about hallucinations, and the jury is still out on whether a model knows when it&amp;#x27;s hallucinating, if we assume hallucinations are orthogonal to correctness Now this distinction isn&amp;#x27;t very useful in the grand scheme of things because in the end the output is wrong anyway, but it doesn&amp;#x27;t make asking to work along the axis of correctness cargo cult Further…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2305.18248/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Do Language Models Know When They're Hallucinating References? — HN submission</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36122485</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:submission:2305.18248:36122485</guid><pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2023 08:34:55 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Do Language Models Know When They&amp;#x27;re Hallucinating References?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1 point; 0 discussion replies on HN. &lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2305.18248/"&gt;Paper and source history&lt;/a&gt;. A submission is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item></channel></rss>
