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The False Promise of Imitating Proprietary LLMs

Arnav Gudibande, Eric Wallace, Charlie Snell, Xinyang Geng, Hao Liu, Pieter Abbeel, Sergey Levine, Dawn Song

Abstract

An emerging method to cheaply improve a weaker language model is to finetune it on outputs from a stronger model, such as a proprietary system like ChatGPT (e.g., Alpaca, Self-Instruct, and others). This approach looks to cheaply imitate the proprietary model's capabilities using a weaker open-source model. In this work, we critically analyze this approach. We first finetune a series of LMs that imitate ChatGPT using varying base model sizes (1.5B--13B), data sources, and imitation data amounts (0.3M--150M tokens). We then evaluate the models using crowd raters and canonical NLP benchmarks. Initially, we were surprised by the output quality of our imitation models -- they appear far better at following instructions, and crowd workers rate their outputs as competitive with ChatGPT. However, when conducting more targeted automatic evaluations, we find that imitation models close little to none of the gap from the base LM to ChatGPT on tasks that are not heavily supported in the imitation data. We show that these performance discrepancies may slip past human raters because imitation models are adept at mimicking ChatGPT's style but not its factuality. Overall, we conclude that model imitation is a false promise: there exists a substantial capabilities gap between open and closed LMs that, with current methods, can only be bridged using an unwieldy amount of imitation data or by using more capable base LMs. In turn, we argue that the highest leverage action for improving open-source models is to tackle the difficult challenge of developing better base LMs, rather than taking the shortcut of imitating proprietary systems.

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    • Distilled models are necessarily behind so long as models are progressing. Models are progressing. Maybe it will be over some time in the future. And Berkeley’s “False Promise of Imitating Proprietary LLMs” found imitation closes the style gap fast but there is a large…

      nonethewiserView on HNParent context

  1. Textbooks are all you need 1 comment
    • Exactly. The False Promise of Imitating Proprietary LLMs (UC Berkeley, 25/May/2023) https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.15717

      adtView on HNParent context

    • >I think we don't need to argue the fact that an on premise solution is cheaper than a cloud solution for a lot of tasks In the absolute sense where we look at the total cost of running the model (and not care how it's distributed or include profits), you may be right even with…

      yyykView on HNParent context

    • tldr: LoRA fine-tuning of an open-source alpaca model. See https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.15717 for why calling this a private ChatGPT is probably misleading.

      finexplainedView on HNParent context

    • Perhaps it's not a moat. However, if the advantage is due to things like inference infrastructure to support a massive model, that isn't easy to duplicate. I would also say that the quality of these smaller models are good, but we also may not be measuring them correctly. Recent…

      throwaway55905View on HNParent context

    • https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.15717

      ma2rtenView on HNParent context

    • For another possibility, see https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.15717. The new models may not actually be better - the evaluation may be broken.

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