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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>On The Computational Complexity of Self-Attention · HackerPapers discussions</title><link>https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2209.04881/</link><description>Collected HN comments and submissions linking this paper.</description><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2026 11:16:22 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2209.04881/feed.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><item><title>On The Computational Complexity of Self-Attention — mentioned by strommec</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50252745</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2209.04881:50252745</guid><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2026 23:39:46 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s surprising that Exponential Time Hypothesis would be false. Quoting a paper from 2022[1]: &amp;gt; We prove that the time complexity of self-attention is necessarily quadratic in the input length, unless the Strong Exponential Time Hypothesis (SETH) is false[...] If OpenAI&amp;#x27;s proof is correct, does that mean self-attention can be implemented in sub-quadratic time? I.e. we could eventually have all the most advanced LLMs running on cheap hardware? To put it more playfully, is ETH being false actually bearish for Nvidia? [1]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.04881&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2209.04881/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.LG</category></item><item><title>On The Computational Complexity of Self-Attention — mentioned by noosphr</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46582120</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2209.04881:46582120</guid><pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2026 00:25:34 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.04881&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2209.04881/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.LG</category></item><item><title>On The Computational Complexity of Self-Attention — mentioned by logicchains</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39990655</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2209.04881:39990655</guid><pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2024 13:42:58 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Transformers are special because theoretically you can&amp;#x27;t make something &amp;quot;weaker&amp;quot; than a transformer without it losing some accuracy: https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.04881 .&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2209.04881/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.LG</category></item><item><title>On The Computational Complexity of Self-Attention — mentioned by logicchains</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39882097</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2209.04881:39882097</guid><pubDate>Sun, 31 Mar 2024 07:06:18 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;Lately I&amp;#x27;ve been wondering... is this a problem, or a strength? It&amp;#x27;s a strength; fundamentally it&amp;#x27;s impossible to achieve the same degree of accuracy with a sub-quadratic attention mechanism: https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.04881 (unless the Strong Exponential Time Hypothesis is false, which is very unlikely, like P=NP).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2209.04881/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.LG</category></item><item><title>On The Computational Complexity of Self-Attention — mentioned by logicchains</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39599869</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2209.04881:39599869</guid><pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2024 05:45:12 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s fundamentally a trade-off: https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.04881 . (Unless the Strong Exponential Time Hypothesis is false, but that&amp;#x27;s pretty unlikely, like P being equal to NP).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2209.04881/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.LG</category></item><item><title>On The Computational Complexity of Self-Attention — mentioned by nyrikki</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39503924</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2209.04881:39503924</guid><pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2024 19:28:27 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Strong Exponential Time Hypothesis Here is how it relates to attention. https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.04881&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2209.04881/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.LG</category></item></channel></rss>
