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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Training a Helpful and Harmless Assistant with Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback · HackerPapers discussions</title><link>https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2204.05862/</link><description>Collected HN comments and submissions linking this paper.</description><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2026 11:16:22 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2204.05862/feed.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><item><title>Training a Helpful and Harmless Assistant with Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback — mentioned by BoorishBears</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37477165</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2204.05862:37477165</guid><pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:22:11 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;If you ask an LLM to complete a sentence like &amp;#x27;[Insert name] stole the fruit (true/false):&amp;lt;answer&amp;gt;&amp;#x27; An aligned LLM will be biased towards refusing to answer at all with something like: &amp;quot;I can&amp;#x27;t tell you because I don&amp;#x27;t know them.&amp;quot; An &amp;quot;uncensored&amp;quot; LLM will very happily return &amp;lt;&amp;quot;true&amp;quot;&amp;gt; or &amp;lt;&amp;quot;false&amp;quot;&amp;gt; with a probability attached to each. Even OpenAI&amp;#x27;s GPT-3 does with a low enough temperature. _ Of course, LLM attention doesn&amp;#x27;t work like that. The tokens are just a bag of numbers: - The fact the name &amp;#x27;John&amp;#x27; is mentioned in the Bible a lot affects the distribution when you ask if any John stole…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2204.05862/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Training a Helpful and Harmless Assistant with Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback — mentioned by keskival</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37325390</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2204.05862:37325390</guid><pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2023 17:12:53 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;It is known that alignment tax affects smaller models but in larger models (&amp;gt;~100B parameters) the &amp;quot;tax&amp;quot; starts to become negative at least when trained in RLHF: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2204.05862.pdf The largest Llama2 model has 70B parameters. They ran the experiment with 7B Llama2.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2204.05862/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Training a Helpful and Harmless Assistant with Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback — HN submission</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36995351</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:submission:2204.05862:36995351</guid><pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2023 04:02:21 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Training a Helpful and Harmless Assistant with Reinforcement Learning from Human&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2 points; 1 discussion reply on HN. &lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2204.05862/"&gt;Paper and source history&lt;/a&gt;. A submission is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item><item><title>Training a Helpful and Harmless Assistant with Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback — mentioned by make3</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35262817</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2204.05862:35262817</guid><pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2023 15:42:32 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;It just hasn&amp;#x27;t been prompted or fine-tuned to have the neutral, self effacing personality of ChatGPT. It&amp;#x27;s doing the pure, &amp;quot;try to guess the most likely next token&amp;quot; task on which they were both trained (https://heartbeat.comet.ml/causal-language-modeling-with-gpt...). ChatGPT is further trained with reinforcement from human feedback to make them more tool-like (https://arxiv.org/abs/2204.05862 &amp;amp; https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt &amp;amp; https://arxiv.org/abs/2203.02155), with a bit of randomness added for variety&amp;#x27;s sake (https://huggingface.co/blo1g/how-to-generate).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2204.05862/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CL</category></item></channel></rss>
