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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Normalized Attention Without Probability Cage · HackerPapers discussions</title><link>https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2005.09561/</link><description>Collected HN comments and submissions linking this paper.</description><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2026 11:16:22 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2005.09561/feed.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><item><title>Normalized Attention Without Probability Cage — mentioned by sunleash</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36852249</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2005.09561:36852249</guid><pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2023 18:23:18 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t see any results, it&amp;#x27;d be more impactful and convincing if there were numbers supplementing the theory. It&amp;#x27;s not that hard to finetune existing LM on a small data and verify that it works. I am, however, of the similar opinion that there could be better attention formulations. A paper from 2020 https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.09561 helped a lot in one of the transformers model I trained (not a vanilla LM but a specialised multi-modal graph problem). It proposes normalised attention which if I&amp;#x27;m not wrong should help with the quantisation problem too.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2005.09561/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.LG</category></item><item><title>Normalized Attention Without Probability Cage — mentioned by sooheon</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24331464</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:2005.09561:24331464</guid><pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2020 13:55:36 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Long (&amp;gt;2048 tokens) sequences. But GP is too focused on hyping XLNet for some reason. There are much more elegant attempts at improving the transformer architecture in just the past 8 months: Reformer, Performer, Macaron Net, and my current pet paper, Normalized Attention Pooling (https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.09561).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/2005.09561/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.LG</category></item></channel></rss>
