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Incompleteness Ex Machina

Sebastian Oberhoff

Abstract

In this essay we'll prove Gödel's incompleteness theorems twice. First, we'll prove them the good old-fashioned way. Then we'll repeat the feat in the setting of computation. In the process we'll discover that Gödel's work, rightly viewed, needs to be split into two parts: the transport of computation into the arena of arithmetic on the one hand and the actual incompleteness theorems on the other. After we're done there will be cake.

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First published on https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/ on December 30. 2018
Journal reference
Bulletin of the European Association for Theoretical Computer Science, No 128, June 2019
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Subjects
cs.LOLogic in Computer Science math.HOHistory and Overview

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  1. BusyBeaver(6) Is Quite Large 1 comment
    • Yeah, but the vexing part is "how can that be true for e.g. N=643 but not N=642"? What happens at whatever number it starts true at? Incidentally, Gödel's theorem eventually comes down to a halting-like argument as well (well, a diagonal argument). There is a presentation of it…

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    • "Incompleteness ex Machina" by Sebastian Oberhoff, is a nice paper-length exposition https://arxiv.org/abs/1909.04569.

      fogofView on HNParent context

    • There's another paper called "Incompleteness Ex Machina" with several proofs of both the first and second incompleteness theorems. https://arxiv.org/abs/1909.04569

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