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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Robustness May Be at Odds with Accuracy · HackerPapers discussions</title><link>https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1805.12152/</link><description>Collected HN comments and submissions linking this paper.</description><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2026 11:16:22 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1805.12152/feed.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><item><title>Robustness May Be at Odds with Accuracy — mentioned by red75prime</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17452512</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:1805.12152:17452512</guid><pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 18:19:32 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;In the light of [0], it seems that standard (not adversarially trained) NNs learn each and every feature which happens to correlate with a class label in a training set (including noise). So moving along adversarial gradient looks like noise. Take my interpretation with a (huge) grain of salt. [0] https://arxiv.org/abs/1805.12152&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1805.12152/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>stat.ML</category></item><item><title>Robustness May Be at Odds with Accuracy — mentioned by logane</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17442542</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:1805.12152:17442542</guid><pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 15:35:24 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;We took a look at adversarial examples for linear classifiers (and in general, we looked at properties that adversarial training induces) here: https://arxiv.org/abs/1805.12152 For $\ell_\infty$ adversarial examples on linear classifiers we found that adversarial training forces a tradeoff between the $\ell_1$ norm of the weights (which is directly associated with adversarial accuracy) and accuracy. It looks like this article works through something vaguely similar for $\ell_2$ adversarial examples. It would be interesting to compare the author&amp;#x27;s approach with explicit adversarial training.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1805.12152/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>stat.ML</category></item><item><title>Robustness May Be at Odds with Accuracy — mentioned by red75prime</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17218233</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:1805.12152:17218233</guid><pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2018 06:34:01 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Adversarially robust classifiers have interpretable gradients and feature representations [0]. The problem seems to be that the standard networks capture all the statistics there is, including surface statistical regularities and noise. It can be mitigated, though. [0]: https://arxiv.org/abs/1805.12152&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1805.12152/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>stat.ML</category></item></channel></rss>
