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Talent vs Luck: the role of randomness in success and failure

A. Pluchino. A. E. Biondo, A. Rapisarda

Abstract

The largely dominant meritocratic paradigm of highly competitive Western cultures is rooted on the belief that success is due mainly, if not exclusively, to personal qualities such as talent, intelligence, skills, efforts or risk taking. Sometimes, we are willing to admit that a certain degree of luck could also play a role in achieving significant material success. But, as a matter of fact, it is rather common to underestimate the importance of external forces in individual successful stories. It is very well known that intelligence or talent exhibit a Gaussian distribution among the population, whereas the distribution of wealth - considered a proxy of success - follows typically a power law (Pareto law). Such a discrepancy between a Normal distribution of inputs, with a typical scale, and the scale invariant distribution of outputs, suggests that some hidden ingredient is at work behind the scenes. In this paper, with the help of a very simple agent-based model, we suggest that such an ingredient is just randomness. In particular, we show that, if it is true that some degree of talent is necessary to be successful in life, almost never the most talented people reach the highest peaks of success, being overtaken by mediocre but sensibly luckier individuals. As to our knowledge, this counterintuitive result - although implicitly suggested between the lines in a vast literature - is quantified here for the first time. It sheds new light on the effectiveness of assessing merit on the basis of the reached level of success and underlines the risks of distributing excessive honors or resources to people who, at the end of the day, could have been simply luckier than others. With the help of this model, several policy hypotheses are also addressed and compared to show the most efficient strategies for public funding of research in order to improve meritocracy, diversity and innovation.

arXiv comments
28 pages, 14 figures, Accepted for publication in Advances in Complex Systems
Journal reference
Advances in Complex Systems Vol. 21, No. 03n04, 1850014 (2018)
DOI
doi:10.1142/S0219525918500145
Subjects
physics.soc-phPhysics and Society

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    • > Nothing quite dampens your belief in hard work paying off Such a belief was not grounded in data to begin with. Like a religion, its based in faith. Humans are tricky, emotion and vibe driven; suboptimal mental models die hard. Humans want to believe in free will, they want to…

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    • How did you come to the conclusion that being that wealthy was because of intelligence? Elon has been at the right place at the right time to compound capital through luck, connections, and selling ideas in return for purchase of equity. Most YC companies fail in some way. 90%…

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    • The scope of my comment you cite is the usual "extremely wealthy people using loopholes to avoid taxes while burdening your average joe with them instead". This is not "your math is slightly off and we're going to be punitive." This is defending against tax evasion strategies by…

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  1. Just Be Rich (2021) 1 comment
    • > It sounds as if you have an emotional issue with the idea that people can change their own situation. On the contrary, I am simply data informed. It sounds like you're operating from a mental model that overweighs ability in outcomes. I have provided links below to help you…

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    • > They aren't facts. The number of millionaires in the U.S. has exploded. Many are benefiting from the markets. It's not luck. Are you sure it's not luck? https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-rol... ("The Role of Luck in Life Success Is Far Greater Than We…

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  2. Against All Applications 1 comment
    • Agreed. If you, as the interviewer, can't ascertain an applicant's ability to do the job, after chatting with them for an hour or two, you aren't qualified to hire for that position. The idea that you can pinpoint someone's skill level (and estimate their performance potential)…

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    • > ECONOMICS PRIZE [ITALY] > Alessandro Pluchino, Alessio Emanuele Biondo, and Andrea Rapisarda, for explaining, mathematically, why success most often goes not to the most talented people, but instead to the luckiest. > REFERENCE: “Talent vs. Luck: The Role of Randomness in…

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    • My main issue with this narrative that work hard != success is that it looks at the upper tier of a profession. You don't have to be a CEO or a professional hockey player to be successful. It's trendy to say this for some reason, but the people saying it don't believe it. The…

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    • > I personally like Michael Pettis's argument that continued economic growth depends on increasing economic demand through redistributing wealth from capital (or more generally the wealthy) to labor [3], so I am skeptical of reforms that stop taxing capital. This is an important…

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  3. Six Figures in 6 days 1 comment
    • Academic studies have repeatedly found that one of the single biggest determinants in success of just about any kind is luck. It is a very common misconception that hard work results in success, or that talent results in success, but that's looking at the successful from the…

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    • Whenever I see a NetLogo based paper, my suspicion is immediately raised. It's not that multiagent simulations are never good models of reality, it's that they are so hard to get right and so easy to shoot yourself in the foot with and not notice. Nonlinear dynamics are hard.…

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    • One of the books that I read last year, I can’t remember which [1], said that the greatest contributor to wealth over the long run is education. My unfounded assumption that explains the reasoning of why you did not experience American families reacting the same way that yours…

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    • But what did the reviewers say about the paper? (http://arxiv.org/abs/1802.07068) They used a normal distribution for "Talent", but that's false. There is plenty of evidence that , like everything in life , it's power-law distributed…

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    • "The largely dominant meritocratic paradigm of highly competitive Western cultures is rooted on the belief that success is due mainly, if not exclusively, to personal qualities such as talent, intelligence, skills, smartness, efforts, willfulness, hard work or risk taking.…

      DecayingOrganicView on HNParent context

    • There is this interesting paper that evaluates role of luck and talent in outcome. https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.07068 " The largely dominant meritocratic paradigm of highly competitive Western cultures is rooted on the belief that success is due mainly, if not exclusively, to…

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    • A key purpose of the original paper is to inform policy to improve public funding of research [1]. Thus, to a first-order approximation, it should reflect realities. However, ... The number of lucky and unlucky events in the paper (figure 5, page 8) are each around 5-7 events…

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    • Instead of wasting time on a (rather biased) critique, read the original paper: "Talent vs Luck: the role of randomness in success and failure" by A. Pluchino. A. E. Biondo, A. Rapisarda https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.07068 Are the rich wealthy because they somehow earned it?…

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