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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Practical Black-Box Attacks against Machine Learning · HackerPapers discussions</title><link>https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1602.02697/</link><description>Collected HN comments and submissions linking this paper.</description><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2026 11:16:22 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1602.02697/feed.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><item><title>Practical Black-Box Attacks against Machine Learning — HN submission</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23590733</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:submission:1602.02697:23590733</guid><pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2020 08:42:11 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Practical Black-Box Attacks Against Machine Learning&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2 points; 0 discussion replies on HN. &lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1602.02697/"&gt;Paper and source history&lt;/a&gt;. A submission is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CR</category></item><item><title>Practical Black-Box Attacks against Machine Learning — mentioned by JoeDaDude</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21382006</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:1602.02697:21382006</guid><pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:40:06 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Nicholas Papernot [1] et al. has shown how this can be an attack on an unknown network provided you have access to inference results produced by the target network [2]. [1] https://www.papernot.fr/ [2] https://arxiv.org/abs/1602.02697&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1602.02697/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CR</category></item><item><title>Practical Black-Box Attacks against Machine Learning — mentioned by Fripplebubby</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16561386</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:1602.02697:16561386</guid><pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2018 02:20:47 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;One method of creating adversarial examples in a &amp;quot;black box&amp;quot; setting is to create and train a local model as a stand-in for the actual model using the inputs and outputs of the actual model. [1] So, the answer is &amp;quot;no&amp;quot; but a qualified &amp;quot;no&amp;quot; since in practice this seems to work. The second part, being able to forward many images, is also a qualified &amp;quot;no&amp;quot;. 1 - https://arxiv.org/abs/1602.02697&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1602.02697/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CR</category></item><item><title>Practical Black-Box Attacks against Machine Learning — mentioned by whataretensors</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16272561</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:1602.02697:16272561</guid><pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2018 09:10:23 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;You don&amp;#x27;t need access to the network, you can just build another one. https://arxiv.org/abs/1602.02697 &amp;quot;Our attack strategy consists in training a local model to substitute for the target DNN, using inputs synthetically generated by an adversary and labeled by the target DNN&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1602.02697/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CR</category></item><item><title>Practical Black-Box Attacks against Machine Learning — mentioned by Winterflow3r</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15614167</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:1602.02697:15614167</guid><pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2017 20:48:12 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;No, this paper by Papernot et al shows how to do blackbox attacks without knowledge of model internals. https://arxiv.org/abs/1602.02697&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1602.02697/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CR</category></item><item><title>Practical Black-Box Attacks against Machine Learning — mentioned by statusgraph</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15106600</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:1602.02697:15106600</guid><pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2017 18:11:39 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Interestingly, you can treat the NN as a black box (ie, not look at individual weights or even the architecture) and still derive adversarial cases: https://arxiv.org/abs/1602.02697&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1602.02697/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CR</category></item><item><title>Practical Black-Box Attacks against Machine Learning — HN submission</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15034709</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:submission:1602.02697:15034709</guid><pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2017 08:12:11 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Practical Black-Box Attacks Against Machine Learning&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1 point; 0 discussion replies on HN. &lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1602.02697/"&gt;Paper and source history&lt;/a&gt;. A submission is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CR</category></item><item><title>Practical Black-Box Attacks against Machine Learning — mentioned by kajecounterhack</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11455465</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:mention:1602.02697:11455465</guid><pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2016 15:41:47 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;http://arxiv.org/abs/1602.02697 I don&amp;#x27;t work on reCAPTCHA but I imagine they could easily + significantly beef up image captcha by adding adversarial image examples that trip up would-be automators. Note that adversarial examples generalize across models. Meaning a good adversarial example will work against SVMs, convnets, etc just the same. If you&amp;#x27;re interested in the basics of how it works, Julia Evans has a great post: jvns.ca/blog/2015/12/24/how-to-trick-a-neural-network-into-thinking-a-panda-is-a-vulture The key is that deep neural nets are actually very (piecewise) linear and that makes…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1602.02697/"&gt;Paper and discussion history&lt;/a&gt;. A mention is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CR</category></item><item><title>Practical Black-Box Attacks against Machine Learning — HN submission</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11158019</link><guid isPermaLink="false">urn:hackerpapers:submission:1602.02697:11158019</guid><pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:04:20 GMT</pubDate><description>&lt;p&gt;Practical Attacks against Deep Learning Systems using Adversarial Examples&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;98 points; 32 discussion replies on HN. &lt;a href="https://hackerpaper.kaipfister.de/p/1602.02697/"&gt;Paper and source history&lt;/a&gt;. A submission is not an endorsement.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>cs.CR</category></item></channel></rss>
